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I will not burden you with my thoughts again.

Stop it y'all. We all have one common denominator - now we're fighting internally over piddly stuff.

There is evolution in everything, and as long as the tradition is not dismissed -- it must go on, or we all still be sitting in caves gnawing on bones.

As much as I like traditional martial arts - I practice Iaido and JuJitsu - in my line of occupation it cannot be applied as is, because my "opponents" do not honor the traditional way. In order to take down some unruly perp I had to turn to the new "Applied Martial Arts", developed for law enforcement or "street fighting". The foundation is the "old ways" but adds the element of surprise and sometimes the use of weapons -- if I stuck to just the "old way" I surely would not survive for very long, if the case of self defense may be.

This applies to many things -- as a firefighter I wore"traditional" black gear -- in a smoky environment and in case of emergency I would surely be hard to find, and many FD to this day hang onto this tradional and potentially deadly "history" -- I could go on and on, and the meaning is the same in all cases -- I could be quite offended by that newfangled machine "gravermeister", since I learned engraving the old-fashioned way and very few people would pay for the extra elbow-grease -- but evolution goes on, and there are still tried-and-true methods out there and the people who utilize them. Let's get rid of the ego trips and be reminded that we're all doing something the majority of the population cannot do -- and let's not fight amongst each other.

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Hi Guardian,

 

I'm sorry the rather passionate nature of this thread has caused you some discomfort. While I'm sure we can all appreciate your sentiments and your desire to reconcile two apparently opposing views I get the impression you ( along with a few others ) have missed the actual "bone of contention".

 

This not about the value of advanced technology, progress or even tool making per se, or even whether there is any perceived beauty or "art" there.

 

It's about the value of complex metallurgical heat treating processes to people who want to carve small scale things in wood, ivory, antler, or whatever. Bearing in mind that the contributors of tutorials here are generally far more advanced in this field than the many who are still on their first tentative steps.

 

There is no dispute over the actual value of the specific knowledge we're talking about. My initial plea was merely that we bear in mind the needs of the beginner. It was the unfounded criticism of my opinion that has forced me to go further with my contention that I don't believe this complex knowledge of heat treatment of tools is actually all that necessary for us in this particular creative field.

 

Mr Nichols no doubt has a profoundly greater understanding of his subject than I do, however, after working as a professional goldsmith/ metal carver for over 25 years I think my understanding and appreciation of the things I need to do what I want in my medium is sufficient. It is this experience that forms my opinion regarding the dangers of getting side-tracked by overly complicated technology.

If you want to carve, then carve. If you want to explore metallurgical complexities in all their beauty then do so but don't confuse the two. :D

 

I must apologise to the readers of this forum for not letting this lie but it seems to me that if a student is seeking advice, information or support here, then those of us with real experience in making a living, supporting our families with our hands, have a responsibility to be as clear and considered as we can when we helping them on their way in this very insecure world. :)

 

as they say on the street; " lets keep it real"

 

as always, Ford B)

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Hi Guardian,

 

I'm sorry the rather passionate nature of this thread has caused you some discomfort. While I'm sure we can all appreciate your sentiments and your desire to reconcile two apparently opposing views I get the impression you ( along with a few others ) have missed the actual "bone of contention".

 

This not about the value of advanced technology, progress or even tool making per se, or even whether there is any perceived beauty or "art" there.

 

It's about the value of complex metallurgical heat treating processes to people who want to carve small scale things in wood, ivory, antler, or whatever. Bearing in mind that the contributors of tutorials here are generally far more advanced in this field than the many who are still on their first tentative steps.

 

There is no dispute over the actual value of the specific knowledge we're talking about. My initial plea was merely that we bear in mind the needs of the beginner. It was the unfounded criticism of my opinion that has forced me to go further with my contention that I don't believe this complex knowledge of heat treatment of tools is actually all that necessary for us in this particular creative field.

 

Mr Nichols no doubt has a profoundly greater understanding of his subject than I do, however, after working as a professional goldsmith/ metal carver for over 25 years I think my understanding and appreciation of the things I need to do what I want in my medium is sufficient. It is this experience that forms my opinion regarding the dangers of getting side-tracked by overly complicated technology.

If you want to carve, then carve. If you want to explore metallurgical complexities in all their beauty then do so but don't confuse the two. :D

 

I must apologise to the readers of this forum for not letting this lie but it seems to me that if a student is seeking advice, information or support here, then those of us with real experience in making a living, supporting our families with our hands, have a responsibility to be as clear and considered as we can when we helping them on their way in this very insecure world. :)

 

as they say on the street; " lets keep it real"

 

as always, Ford B)

 

Forget it. You and a few others seem to enjoy missing the point.

Back to carving.

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The link from the originating post by kristopher skelton for this thread no longer works. That happens when people change their web sites and do not maintain the pages that were linked to it from The Carving Path.

 

Janel

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ok....so where'd the tutorial go? :angry: i am starring in shock at the dreaded error 410. ;)

So when is the premiere of "The dreaded error 410!" ? In which you seem to be starring?

(OK, OK, I just can't resist juvenile jokes.)

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